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Re: Dalian’s clean, but is it really open?

lakson — Sun, 03 Jun 2007 21:57:10 -0000

The picture,where is it?

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kelly — Fri, 18 May 2007 06:05:56 -0000

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China Law Blog — Wed, 16 May 2007 14:00:34 -0000

Kim --

That curry restaurant would probably be best served by retaining local Chinese counsel.

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Kim — Mon, 14 May 2007 13:07:36 -0000

@ Chris Thanks for trying anyway! It'shard to get beyond the fuzz,you'd need at least an hour long informal chat about it and you can't do that in lessons obviously.

@China Law Blog Well, I wonder if you could help out a Japanese owned Indian curry restaurant called Abashi Curry who opened up recently and have been shut down twice for ridiculous and obviously trumped up reasons? I don't know who they pissed off or how, but everyone agrees it's not fair. If you manage to help them I will thank you eternally because I love curry and naan and because it's 5 minutes walk from my flat!

Re: Dalian’s clean, but is it really open?

China Law Blog — Mon, 14 May 2007 07:56:00 -0000

Based on just a few visits to Dalian and on working on a few matters with lawyers there, I do get the sense that the city is more open to Japanese businesses than elsewhere in China. The lawyers in Dalian speak approvingly/proudly of Japanese businesses liking their city, while the lawyers in other Chinese cities seem proud to reject Japanese business. Dalian definitely has more than its share of striking women.

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Chris Amico — Sun, 13 May 2007 13:31:20 -0000

Chris Waugh,
Like I said, Dalian has treated me well, for the most part. Actually, one way I usually spot out of towners is by their utter shock at seeing foreigners about. Most Dalianren are used to laowai.

Kim,
I tried to get more detail on the Japan claim but all that came out was fuzz, the usual bit about history, and a few more assertions of distaste.

Ray,
I haven't spent enough time in Beijing to make a proper comparison, and I have never been to Shanghai, I'm sorry to say. Shanghai's reputation for producing first-rate snobs does precede it far and wide, though.

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Ray — Sun, 13 May 2007 01:16:53 -0000

I am working in Beijing,but not from around here,Athough I've just lived here for less than half an year,I think beijingnese are a little bit more friendly than shanghainese.all we know is that shanghai is the most modernest city of chinese,it should be the economic center of china,maybe it's because of that,the shanghainese are always having more superiority complex,and look down upon the newcomers so that the ppl from other cities can't never feel like home .I never been to Dalian,but I have been to many other cities on the south of China,I prefer Hangzhou,it's a beautiful city,and local ppl are friendly with newcomers,the girls are always very hot,maybe not as tall as Dalian girls,I bet their skins must be more healthy,nicer and whiter than Dalian girls'.Chinese perverb says Ã¢â‚¬Å“Ã¨â€¡ÂªÃ¥ÂÂ¤Ã¦Â±Å¸Ã¥Ââ€”Ã¥â€¡ÂºÃ§Â¾Å½Ã¥Â¥Â³Ã¢â‚¬Â,I don't know the standard translation,if I translate it literally,it could be"Jiang Nan produces cuties from of old"I quite think the most beauties are from the south of China.

Re: Dalian’s clean, but is it really open?

Kim — Sat, 12 May 2007 05:54:50 -0000

By "too friendly with the Japanese" they might mean that there are a lot of Japanese clubs in Dalian where Japanese gentlemen can go and "mingle" with Chinese ladies. I don't know. Otherwise, I can't imagine what they are talking about. Is it "friendly" to allow Japanese businesses to open up here? Is it because they don't march thru the streets denouncing Japan? Maybe you could ask those students/outsiders of yours to expand on what they mean. I find it an interesting topic anyway!

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chriswaugh_bj — Sat, 12 May 2007 04:48:27 -0000

You make Dalian sound like every other city in China.

Actually, my wife and I were in Dalian last May Day and we were very impressed with the local environment and people. Of course, we were only there for a week, but that short time and our limited dealings with the locals left us with a very good impression of the city and its people.

Re: Dalian’s clean, but is it really open?

Chris Amico — Sat, 12 May 2007 00:58:51 -0000

Rick,
The issue of short history did come up a bit, but most of the comments I heard were about people. Even a friend from Shanghai said Dalian people suck. Again, that could be just mutual snobbery.

Cici,
My students brought up the Japanese; I'm just passing it along. I've certainly heard local people say nasty things about Japan, too. I found it interesting that non-Dalianese thought local people were more "Japan-friendly," and viewed this as a bad thing.

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Cici — Fri, 11 May 2007 15:34:50 -0000

I am a person from Dalian, I agree what you said about the local people don't accept newcomers, but compare other cities which cities's size smaler like Dalian, who will say they are sure that their cities more open than Dalian. And you made a mistake about we are close with Japanese, actually we like korea much more than Japanese. We hate Japan's goverment but we don't treat Japanese bad, because the Japanese who are in Dalian, they didn't kill people, most of them are nice too, this way enough to shows Dalian people more open than other cities.Even we don't like Japan goverment, but we know most Japanese in Dalian they are not goverment officer, they'er just nomal person, don't judge a person by their nationality. Doesn't matter where people come from, they are nice, we treat them nice, they're not nice, we will not treat them nice either!

Re: Dalian’s clean, but is it really open?

Rick — Fri, 11 May 2007 12:20:43 -0000

I've had this discussion with some non-Dalian co-workers in Dalian.

Their perspective was that Dalian doesn't really have any character that they identify with, it doesn't really have any "Dalian feeling." Maybe it's just the sterile conrete and lack of landmarks, or neato historical spots.

But for example, Qingdao has it's beer and germanness.
Harbin has it's beer and Ice festival and russianness.
Dandong has north korea.

Dalian doesn't really have anything to set itself apart.
No particular mood or atmosphere.
And thus, it doesn't feel like home, no matter how long you've been here.

(Just one take on it)